I'm just some Coastie's brat and I grew up knowing better than to present myself poorly when my Father was in his uniform. I can't imagine being IN uniform and flopping around like a beached jellyfish like that. I really wish some people with knowledge, background or at the very least respect for the material and what it represents were being hired to write these shows (not just Trek, Star Wars too...heck any SciFi these days).
If I remember correctly, Captain Kirk would sometimes lean in his Captain's Chair.
But it wasn't a slouch or anything slovenly. It was the type of lean that someone with authority can do because they're confident and just resting to one side.
I wasn't drafted. I volunteered in 1965 and was there voluntarily until 1991. From a different perspective, my view of a good leader was someone I respected, wanted to see promote, to be successful, to actively accomplish the mission. I wanted to like a good leader and most often did, but it wasn't necessary. I never really figure out if good leaders were born to it or forged that way. Probably a little of both. Anyway, you know one when you see one. And thank the Lord, that my own Navy was pretty good about putting decent leaders in charge. And even the most spectacular failures were short-lived and instructive.
Star Trek and Black Sheep Squadron were staples in between two-a-days high school football summers. We’d sprint to my grandparents house, make stacks of PBJ’s and a pitcher of kool-aid, watch these shows and sprint back to practice. I’ve watched versions of Trek since the early 80’s.
1 minute into episode one of this hot garbage and I shut it off. Unwatchable. Shame.
Good Post Smag, but just one thing, "Unlike other services, they are even their own MOS in the Corps." Uh Command Master chief is a separate RATE and it's own NEC (the equivalent of MOS for you crayon eaters.) Hey BTW, I was asked a question today that you're the only one I currently know can speak to with authority. It's an article of faith among CPOs and above that Coffee cups shall NEVER be washed (with the caveat that one drinks ones coffee like God and John Paul Jones intended, black as the captains heart, strong as the Bosin's fist, and bitter as a new recruit.) Is this belief followed in the Corps as well?
I didn’t mention Navy ranks as I was talking 1stSgt/SgtMaj specifically vice all E-8/E-9s. As far as coffee goes, Marines within my sphere of influence understood coffee was consumed blacker than a patch of midnight and my wife still yells at me for not washing my cup out.
If you cannot be a shining example you will just remain a horrible warning.
(Or words to that effect.)
David Niven wrote that when he came back to the Army having left Hollywood, he did not know how to lead. But he had watched all the movies, so he decided to just act like he was *in* one of those movies
Things turned out fine. (IIRC one if those movies was The White Feather.)
Later he recounted how he told his troops (around about D-Day) that they would only have to do whatever, once. While he would have to do it numerous times over and over somewhere in the future together with Errol Flynn!
I did watch the first episode. There were some things I liked,
but they lost me when the ship entered Earth's atmosphere with "If You're Going to San Francisco" as the soundtrack. Gah. The "captain's" posture irritated me too...I found myself wondering why on earth Starfleet would put a kindergarten teacher in charge of a starship? That ship should have a real captain with command experience!
They are shills, all right, but I doubt there are many actual Trek fans among them. Seen it way too many times in other fandoms or groups - even middle grade book series fan groups. Odds are good there are True Believers but many more are likely bots or foreigners. Too bad X is the only place you can *check* the country of origin of the poster....
Most of the original cast, as well as Roddenberry had served in World War II. That's why even though Scotty spoke with familiarity, he did so at either parade rest or attention. It's the reason why the uniforms looked like something from the future, from the boots to the tunics.
Kurtzman has never served and in fact probably thinks the military is evil. That's why he's treating StarFleet Academy as beverly hills 90210 and it's so laid back.
Yikes! I had seen other pictures and the promo video for this latest Star Dreck, but I hadn't seen those. I saw the fat cadets, and heard the voice-over of the one insisting that she HAD to become Captain. It was her DESTINY! The one that got to me was the cadet mimicking a Downs Syndrome man. There's a place for such people in our world (in fact I quit my first writing career over such a story https://tinyurl.com/ye2894wa ), but that place ain't on a starship!
I had even considered watching the premier episode just to catalog how bad it is, but the pics you show mean viewing it would risk me throwing a shoe through my TV screen, and I can't afford that.
She's not a captain. She's a FORMER captain who was part of a situation where a woman was arrested for theft and murder which separated said woman from her child, which Captain Strumpet Von Potboiler couldn't handle for some reason.
Now?
She's a starfleet academy "teacher" who was, for some reason, given a "starship" that also grafts itself onto the campus to become a school, for some reason, instead of "starfleet" just building an academy and a separate starship.
Whatever the writers are smoking should be destroyed to protect the world.
Many years ago, I made a joke that Kirk was the best of the Star Trek captains because he is the one who got all the chicks. It was meant to poke fun at the Trekkies in college, but I still maintain that it's still true. He is the only one who had a real command presence. Picard did ok, but not as well. The less said about the rest the better.
Kirk and Sisko had the best command presence. Sisko's CP often intimidated Klingons and gave the Jem'Hadar pause. Picard was an ambassador who had his own starship....Riker did the heavy lifting. Janeway was dodgy at first but improved toward the end. Archer was an engineer who needed more command training. The only decent captain in nu-Trek was Lorca...and they made him a bad guy.
I'm just some Coastie's brat and I grew up knowing better than to present myself poorly when my Father was in his uniform. I can't imagine being IN uniform and flopping around like a beached jellyfish like that. I really wish some people with knowledge, background or at the very least respect for the material and what it represents were being hired to write these shows (not just Trek, Star Wars too...heck any SciFi these days).
If I remember correctly, Captain Kirk would sometimes lean in his Captain's Chair.
But it wasn't a slouch or anything slovenly. It was the type of lean that someone with authority can do because they're confident and just resting to one side.
Starfleet Academy. Proving nothing is so worthless it can't serve as a bad example
I wasn't drafted. I volunteered in 1965 and was there voluntarily until 1991. From a different perspective, my view of a good leader was someone I respected, wanted to see promote, to be successful, to actively accomplish the mission. I wanted to like a good leader and most often did, but it wasn't necessary. I never really figure out if good leaders were born to it or forged that way. Probably a little of both. Anyway, you know one when you see one. And thank the Lord, that my own Navy was pretty good about putting decent leaders in charge. And even the most spectacular failures were short-lived and instructive.
I was fortunate to have served with good leaders. One of them, I served with three times, me an E-7 and him an O-2E LDO. Later as an E-8 and him an O-3E LDO. Later still me as an O-2E/O-3E LDO and him as an O-4 LDO. Dean Chestnutt retired an O-5 LDO 6 years after I did. Agent Orange got him in the end. RIP, Dean. https://cache.legacy.net/legacy/images/cobrands/pensacolanewsjournal/photos/PNJ060796-1_20210129.jpgx?w=257&h=399&option=3
Star Trek and Black Sheep Squadron were staples in between two-a-days high school football summers. We’d sprint to my grandparents house, make stacks of PBJ’s and a pitcher of kool-aid, watch these shows and sprint back to practice. I’ve watched versions of Trek since the early 80’s.
1 minute into episode one of this hot garbage and I shut it off. Unwatchable. Shame.
Robert Conrad ruled! I was SgtMaj of the Black Sheep for a time interestingly enough.
Good Post Smag, but just one thing, "Unlike other services, they are even their own MOS in the Corps." Uh Command Master chief is a separate RATE and it's own NEC (the equivalent of MOS for you crayon eaters.) Hey BTW, I was asked a question today that you're the only one I currently know can speak to with authority. It's an article of faith among CPOs and above that Coffee cups shall NEVER be washed (with the caveat that one drinks ones coffee like God and John Paul Jones intended, black as the captains heart, strong as the Bosin's fist, and bitter as a new recruit.) Is this belief followed in the Corps as well?
I didn’t mention Navy ranks as I was talking 1stSgt/SgtMaj specifically vice all E-8/E-9s. As far as coffee goes, Marines within my sphere of influence understood coffee was consumed blacker than a patch of midnight and my wife still yells at me for not washing my cup out.
If you cannot be a shining example you will just remain a horrible warning.
(Or words to that effect.)
David Niven wrote that when he came back to the Army having left Hollywood, he did not know how to lead. But he had watched all the movies, so he decided to just act like he was *in* one of those movies
Things turned out fine. (IIRC one if those movies was The White Feather.)
Later he recounted how he told his troops (around about D-Day) that they would only have to do whatever, once. While he would have to do it numerous times over and over somewhere in the future together with Errol Flynn!
I did watch the first episode. There were some things I liked,
but they lost me when the ship entered Earth's atmosphere with "If You're Going to San Francisco" as the soundtrack. Gah. The "captain's" posture irritated me too...I found myself wondering why on earth Starfleet would put a kindergarten teacher in charge of a starship? That ship should have a real captain with command experience!
The Star Trek shills are out in force, viciously attacking anyone who disagrees with their leadership through comfort narrative.
Ooh, great thought there I didn't get to. Comfort based decisions inevitably end poorly.
This. This, this, this, THIS.
They are shills, all right, but I doubt there are many actual Trek fans among them. Seen it way too many times in other fandoms or groups - even middle grade book series fan groups. Odds are good there are True Believers but many more are likely bots or foreigners. Too bad X is the only place you can *check* the country of origin of the poster....
Wait a minute
I’d follow the stripper
Cmon
You’d marry the stripper. C’mon.
That’s leadership.
Strippers lead, we follow.
They are not the same.
The E-4 mafia would expand her wrinkle grommet and it would go all “lord of the flies” momentarily after that.
Most of the original cast, as well as Roddenberry had served in World War II. That's why even though Scotty spoke with familiarity, he did so at either parade rest or attention. It's the reason why the uniforms looked like something from the future, from the boots to the tunics.
Kurtzman has never served and in fact probably thinks the military is evil. That's why he's treating StarFleet Academy as beverly hills 90210 and it's so laid back.
Yikes! I had seen other pictures and the promo video for this latest Star Dreck, but I hadn't seen those. I saw the fat cadets, and heard the voice-over of the one insisting that she HAD to become Captain. It was her DESTINY! The one that got to me was the cadet mimicking a Downs Syndrome man. There's a place for such people in our world (in fact I quit my first writing career over such a story https://tinyurl.com/ye2894wa ), but that place ain't on a starship!
I had even considered watching the premier episode just to catalog how bad it is, but the pics you show mean viewing it would risk me throwing a shoe through my TV screen, and I can't afford that.
Semper fi!
That messy hair kills me, too. Sloppy bed hair does not belong in uniform.
She's not a captain. She's a FORMER captain who was part of a situation where a woman was arrested for theft and murder which separated said woman from her child, which Captain Strumpet Von Potboiler couldn't handle for some reason.
Now?
She's a starfleet academy "teacher" who was, for some reason, given a "starship" that also grafts itself onto the campus to become a school, for some reason, instead of "starfleet" just building an academy and a separate starship.
Whatever the writers are smoking should be destroyed to protect the world.
Very true. You set the entire tone.🫡
Many years ago, I made a joke that Kirk was the best of the Star Trek captains because he is the one who got all the chicks. It was meant to poke fun at the Trekkies in college, but I still maintain that it's still true. He is the only one who had a real command presence. Picard did ok, but not as well. The less said about the rest the better.
Sisko had good command presence, and is the only captain to punch Q and also was the only captain who DIDN'T have Q bothering him repeatedly.
Janeway... she needed better writing. The acting was good, but the writing wasn't there.
Archer got the nickname "Duchess" from a favorite reviewer I watch, because he's crazy at times.
Picard was carried by Patrick Stewart's acting skills.
Kirk and Sisko had the best command presence. Sisko's CP often intimidated Klingons and gave the Jem'Hadar pause. Picard was an ambassador who had his own starship....Riker did the heavy lifting. Janeway was dodgy at first but improved toward the end. Archer was an engineer who needed more command training. The only decent captain in nu-Trek was Lorca...and they made him a bad guy.